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	<title>Comments on: Unsurprisingly, the UN Gets it Exactly Wrong</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Stingerstein</title>
		<link>http://www.worldwiderant.com/2008/03/28/unsurprisingly-the-un-gets-it-exactly-wrong/#comment-3619</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Stingerstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Itâ€™s like somebody called your mother a bitch or your sister a whore, if you were half the man any man should be - youâ€™d be throwing down punches."

That is the kind of ludicrous statement that tells of some of the BS underlying many issues of violence.  "if you were half the man any man should be".  What?  Ever heard of being the grown up and walking away?  That's the difference here.  Picking on a prophet does not justify having one's embassy burnt to the ground.  People should be protesting against THAT!  And against people having their heads cut off.  And against women being banned form driving.  And against women being stoned to death.  With all the problems in the world, the most these protesters get upset about are cartoon and films?  That's pathetic.

And while it seems to be true that 99.9% of Muslims are peace loving, chill people, it is the .1% who we need to be worried about.  And .1% is millions of people.  Maybe the clerics who call for the murder of "infidels" should be protested against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s like somebody called your mother a bitch or your sister a whore, if you were half the man any man should be - youâ€™d be throwing down punches.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the kind of ludicrous statement that tells of some of the BS underlying many issues of violence.  &#8220;if you were half the man any man should be&#8221;.  What?  Ever heard of being the grown up and walking away?  That&#8217;s the difference here.  Picking on a prophet does not justify having one&#8217;s embassy burnt to the ground.  People should be protesting against THAT!  And against people having their heads cut off.  And against women being banned form driving.  And against women being stoned to death.  With all the problems in the world, the most these protesters get upset about are cartoon and films?  That&#8217;s pathetic.</p>
<p>And while it seems to be true that 99.9% of Muslims are peace loving, chill people, it is the .1% who we need to be worried about.  And .1% is millions of people.  Maybe the clerics who call for the murder of &#8220;infidels&#8221; should be protested against.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie -

Please note that I never said anything about Islam itself.  

Yes, I find it to be a myth, a story, chock full of both beautiful sentiments and human horror, just like Christianity and Judaism.  There are plenty of good Muslims just as there are plenty of good Christians and Jews, but they are good in spite of believing in their mythologies.  Our religions, among their more peaceful platitudes, also contain the seeds of hatred and intolerance.

If someone calls my mother a bitch, they can do so.  If they do it to my face, there may be a fight, but more likely than not I will shrug it off because I know my mother better than they do.  I'm not going to kill someone over it.  I'm not going to orchestrate protests in the street.  I'm not going to pillage and burn and ruin neighborhoods because of it.  

The bigger difference is that mothers and sisters are REAL.  Our relationships with them are REAL.  God or Jesus or Allah or Muhammed is just pretend, and defending the pride of pretend people is just SILLY.

Good lord, next we'll have some Emily Bronte fan stepping up to say that Heathcliff was a fabulous dude and how dare we talk about him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie -</p>
<p>Please note that I never said anything about Islam itself.  </p>
<p>Yes, I find it to be a myth, a story, chock full of both beautiful sentiments and human horror, just like Christianity and Judaism.  There are plenty of good Muslims just as there are plenty of good Christians and Jews, but they are good in spite of believing in their mythologies.  Our religions, among their more peaceful platitudes, also contain the seeds of hatred and intolerance.</p>
<p>If someone calls my mother a bitch, they can do so.  If they do it to my face, there may be a fight, but more likely than not I will shrug it off because I know my mother better than they do.  I&#8217;m not going to kill someone over it.  I&#8217;m not going to orchestrate protests in the street.  I&#8217;m not going to pillage and burn and ruin neighborhoods because of it.  </p>
<p>The bigger difference is that mothers and sisters are REAL.  Our relationships with them are REAL.  God or Jesus or Allah or Muhammed is just pretend, and defending the pride of pretend people is just SILLY.</p>
<p>Good lord, next we&#8217;ll have some Emily Bronte fan stepping up to say that Heathcliff was a fabulous dude and how dare we talk about him!</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't get me wrong: I don't not believe in protesting something, esp. something discriminatory or hateful or intentionally misleading etc. etc.
Kind of like when airlines choose to lie about how safe their planes are.
I may choose a diff method than burning cars or causing community damage. But i've got NO DARN PROBLEM protesting anyone who chooses to put out misinformation about a subject matter that is dear to my heart. We've all got that streak in us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong: I don&#8217;t not believe in protesting something, esp. something discriminatory or hateful or intentionally misleading etc. etc.<br />
Kind of like when airlines choose to lie about how safe their planes are.<br />
I may choose a diff method than burning cars or causing community damage. But i&#8217;ve got NO DARN PROBLEM protesting anyone who chooses to put out misinformation about a subject matter that is dear to my heart. We&#8217;ve all got that streak in us.</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found my way here through another parenting blog I happen to be Muslim and a journalist and also a parent and understand the anger and shock when you see outrage at anything. Kind of like when our veterans get angry for people burning the U.S. flag. 

There are masses of people, who when emotional, take to the streets to protest, much like Americans did against outright racism and hard to believe but not long ago we still had separate drinking fountains. Rodney King took place in 1992.

I will probably check out the movie because i believe in being knowledgeable about what the heck is being protested about.
I don't blame the govt. officials for trying to urge calm and ask for people to show a sense of responsibility. otherwise they will be the ones fired from their posts.
Two things: 

1) I consider myself an educated Muslim, who doesn't go all crazy over anything against Islam. Infact, most Muslims are not afraid of criticism or intelligent analysis of Islam. We know it stands for itself, just ask the many non-Muslim scholars who have spent their lives studying/writing about Islam.
2) These were editorial cartoons - not your run of the mill Wizard of Id comic strip. Editorial cartoons are drawn to make a point, an opinion. These cartoons could have just been easily been effective by choosing a leader or a govt. official as a character. Truth is, the illustrators wanted to hit it where it hurts. And it did, and people protested the way they wanted to. Some on the streets, some in newspapers. they have a right to protest just like you have a right to protest. I don't  condone any violence but humanity has always had violence in its history. 

There are malicious people out there on all sides. People who want to stir up hate. Or going out of their way to make movies just to cause trouble. 
It's like somebody called your mother a bitch or your sister a whore, if you were half the man any man should be - you'd be throwing down punches.

You won't find Muslims making a mockery out of Jesus and Abraham and Moses, who are all beloved prophets in Islam. Without our belief in them, we wouldn't be Muslims.***</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found my way here through another parenting blog I happen to be Muslim and a journalist and also a parent and understand the anger and shock when you see outrage at anything. Kind of like when our veterans get angry for people burning the U.S. flag. </p>
<p>There are masses of people, who when emotional, take to the streets to protest, much like Americans did against outright racism and hard to believe but not long ago we still had separate drinking fountains. Rodney King took place in 1992.</p>
<p>I will probably check out the movie because i believe in being knowledgeable about what the heck is being protested about.<br />
I don&#8217;t blame the govt. officials for trying to urge calm and ask for people to show a sense of responsibility. otherwise they will be the ones fired from their posts.<br />
Two things: </p>
<p>1) I consider myself an educated Muslim, who doesn&#8217;t go all crazy over anything against Islam. Infact, most Muslims are not afraid of criticism or intelligent analysis of Islam. We know it stands for itself, just ask the many non-Muslim scholars who have spent their lives studying/writing about Islam.<br />
2) These were editorial cartoons - not your run of the mill Wizard of Id comic strip. Editorial cartoons are drawn to make a point, an opinion. These cartoons could have just been easily been effective by choosing a leader or a govt. official as a character. Truth is, the illustrators wanted to hit it where it hurts. And it did, and people protested the way they wanted to. Some on the streets, some in newspapers. they have a right to protest just like you have a right to protest. I don&#8217;t  condone any violence but humanity has always had violence in its history. </p>
<p>There are malicious people out there on all sides. People who want to stir up hate. Or going out of their way to make movies just to cause trouble.<br />
It&#8217;s like somebody called your mother a bitch or your sister a whore, if you were half the man any man should be - you&#8217;d be throwing down punches.</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t find Muslims making a mockery out of Jesus and Abraham and Moses, who are all beloved prophets in Islam. Without our belief in them, we wouldn&#8217;t be Muslims.***</p>
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